Spiritual Guidance with Indra Rinzler

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Hello, everyone. This is your host, Keri Logan at Master the Upper Rooms, and today I have a special guest. I'm really excited because I'm going to ask some juicy questions. I got Indra, and he has achieved so much in his life. He is a life coach. He's a spiritual teacher, advisor, spiritual seeker. He's a healer, teacher. He does life readings for clients. He helps people with relationships and really maybe finding their spiritual path as well as us doing astrology. So Indra, welcome to the show. How are you today? I'm good. Thank you, Carrie, for having me. Yes. Thank you for being here. So tell everyone just briefly a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your journey and where are you at right now? 

Well, I'm in Northern California physically, getting ready to go back to India in less than a month now. Nice. So for the winter, which is something that I've been doing mostly the last 25 years, I found spirituality. I started with spirituality more than 50 years ago in my early 20s in California. And when I moved to California and found out about metaphysical bookstores, and I had questions of which I don't know how I said it back then, but it was, who am I? What am I doing? How can I be happy? Those kinds of things were the catalyst, I suppose. It was a catalyst. And so I lived 20 years in a spiritual community dedicated to an Indian teacher. And in the last 25 years, I've been a world traveler. I had an import business for 12 years doing trinkets, as you might say, handcrafted, beautiful handcrafted items sold to New Renaissance, among others in Portland. 

which you might know. And, uh, uh, yeah. And then I wanted to do then, then I couldn't do that anymore. I couldn't physically, it wasn't so much that I got old, but I really, my body stopped and it was time to turn into back to astrology, which I had started with in the early seventies, again, 50 years ago at this point. And I began, uh, giving astrology readings, using that as a format uh along with the enneagram to to help people to wake up to who they really are, not who they think they are. And it's about alignment with the higher self uh that that the readings, it's nothing that i'm doing, but the readings have a way of aligning people with the higher self, and in that alignment then we the then the process of the 

of the things that are lower vibration, you know, are, are a small thinking and blocking ourselves and insecurities, you know, they, they, they can't exist. They, they seem so stupid. You know, if you get high enough vibrationally, those things disappear. And it's like the, the, it's like we say in India, when you go sit with the guru, all the questions disappear. The reason they disappear is because in that vibration, they don't exist. Correct. A lot of people don't understand that. They really don't. And so it's interesting because a person at a higher vibration, you can still get mad or disappointed, but you can, you quickly regulate yourself back up. You quickly do. I mean, there can be, there's moments and it's like, you can have just maybe a minute or so of being disappointed about something, but it's like, okay, you make peace with it. 

And you just raise yourself back up. And a lot of people have a hard time grasping that concept. They're just like, no, you know, shouldn't you be pissed for at least, you know, an hour or half the day or because they're used to stewing in it and you don't stew in it anymore. Yeah, absolutely. No, a bad attention is better than no attention at all. Yes. Yeah. Now I hear you. Did you ever, um, cause I grew up actually in the Bay area and my mom was a member of the inner peace movement in Berkeley, California. Did you ever hear about that? Um, I don't think so. No. Okay. Well, I didn't live in the Bay. I only lived in the Bay area for three or four years. And then I moved to, uh, then I moved, uh, to Oregon, actually Southern Oregon. And then, um, 

back to California. So I haven't been in the Bay Area in a long time, but it was a vibrant at that particular time. Well, I will say that is one because you were talking about spiritual books. That was one thing I'm really blessed that I grew up in the Bay Area because they did have lots of spiritual books and spirituality was more accepted. And when I first moved up here to Oregon and I went to a spiritual store, I I was told to tell nobody, tell nobody you go to this store or go in it because they'll throw rocks into your windows. Seriously, I was warned about that. And I was like, are you serious? And the store actually had to close down because so many people kept busting the front window of the store. And I was like, this is crazy. But now, oh, there's probably like five shops in my, you know, where I live. Yeah, sure. 

That's the beautiful thing of how people are shifting their consciousness and raising up and this is more acceptable. You know, like homosexuality back in the 80s. Oh my God, it was taboo. AIDS was crazy and people were way in fear and now we've moved up to the 40 vibration where it's more acceptable. It's like as long as you're not hurting anybody and love is love, who cares? Yes, and Indeed, things have changed, and it's been really interesting to watch the change. And the way I refer to it is around natural food stores, how the word natural has become so common, mainstream. And organic. Yeah, organic. Yeah, the same idea that, yeah, yoga center on every corner all over the world. Meditation. Everywhere. Yeah. 

So, yeah, I've enjoyed, in a sense, watching it as a natural progression. Right. It's a natural progression. So what are, I'm curious about this, what are the four doorways to conscious living? Okay, so the idea here is that... Once you have the ideas that people can understand to have the insights is that where my attachments are and where my blocks are and the areas that I need to grow. So the process then becomes one was how do I make the changes? And so the changes are the four doorways to conscious living is the first doorway is that we have to learn to observe. We need to... learn to observe our own thinking and behavior, and then we need to observe our reaction to other people's thinking and behavior. We need to watch our reaction to situations and our reactions to other people's reactions to situations. I call this getting out of the movie of our life to where all we can see is our own drama and we're playing the role, 

you know, of the maiden or the hero and get out of it into the audience to just watch the show. And so then we want to let go and release what doesn't serve us. Letting go involves being aware of a feeling, letting it come up, staying with it and letting it run its course without wanting to make it different or do anything about it. So there's two parts here that we have to become aware of the feeling. Some people are very aware of their feelings and some people aren't. But the people that are aware of their feelings, they have to not make it different or have to do anything about it. It's just a feeling. It means simply to let the feeling be there and to focus on letting out the energy behind it when letting go, ignore all thoughts. And then the third doorway is to love ourselves. 

And when we love ourselves, then we live in the moment. When we live in the moment, we love ourselves, it's the same. How do we love ourselves? By letting go and releasing whatever it is that doesn't serve us. Because those are the blocks to the love. How do we know what to let go? Is we just learn to observe. That life itself will tell us how we're annoying to other people, And they will give us this information in order to show where we're attached. And so that's the four doorways. Thank you. I always say, I mean, being self-aware is so important. It's so important. And because you miss so much in life when you're not self-aware. You really do. So now I have another question. It's actually a burning question. Okay, love burning questions. I'll get my water ready here. Yeah, get your water ready. Or to just throw on the fire. Exactly. So can you explain what's going on in the world right now? I mean, a lot of people, I'm sure, want to know. Like, what's your take on what's going on right now? 

So I was I said I had this question yesterday and the question now I see the question was stated is what's your reaction to what's going on right now? And I answered it is that my reaction is is to just let it be that there's a tremendous amount of chaos and and and change and and attention around haves and not haves. and seen and not seen, and power and not power. And my attitude has pretty much been to kind of just, I don't want to play in that game. I just want to just, I can't really do anything about it. I mean, all I can do about it is my own reaction. But I wanted to, but what I thought is, after I answered that yesterday, which was sort of her question, but really the question, the answer that I want to give is that I believe that 

that we're in Dwapara Yuga. The yugas is the system, it's the cycles of energy, cycles of time in India. It was called the great year in Greece, the golden year, the silver year, the bronze age, and the iron age, the golden age and the silver age. I didn't, it's not, And in India, we call it the yugas. It's Dwapara, it's... Sat Yuga is the highest stage. Shreti Yuga is the next one down. And then Dwapara Yuga and then Kali Yuga, which is a term that has become, like karma has become a little bit popularized. Kali Yuga is the densest age. And everybody in India believes that we're still in Kali Yuga. But I don't believe that. And I had a, there was one Indian teacher who said, no, that it has changed. And so in the last year, 

It changed into Tripara Yuga in 1900, the year 1900. This is what he predicted in 1894. In the year 1900 to 1910, we had the first flight, we had quantum physics, we had Pavlov and conditioning, and we had the theory of relativity. Just in those 10 years, uh then the inter then atomic energy and then the internet it's a time of bond body mind connection and so and so this is the way that i look up at the ages is that the the the the lower age is leaving this is the the death dance i call it the it's the it's the it's the death dance of the dinosaur you know that that that's a hundred feet high when it when it dies you better not be around when that thing finally falls over and and so i believe it's the 

It's the end of Kali Yuga, the end of density. Density is a beautiful concept. To be able to feel things, to be able to see them, to feel, to taste the orange, to enjoy intimacy is wonderful. That's the high side of density. But the lower side is being stuck in small-mindedness and being stuck in in in in your own suffering, and my own identity, you know, that it's wonderful to have an identity. If you've never had an identity and you and you suddenly grow up into uh a world with this identity, it's like, wow, you know, I can put on this coat and become this personality and uh isn't this wonderful? But then you don't want to get stuck in it. And so so i believe what's going on here is that this change that i was talking about in 50 years of natural food store to natural, 

and organic, is Dwapara Yuga. It's coming into a higher age, and I want to, if you'll let me, throw this one idea out here, is that I'm not really, you can call it the age of Aquarius, but I think the problem with the age of Aquarius is, first of all, is I don't believe that it's still a couple of hundred years away, which is not so important, but I do think that that's part of it. But the other part of it is that I don't see any system... where it's a higher age. The Piscean Age and the Aquarian Age are just different flavors, but there is no higher vibration to the Age of Aquarius. But the teaching of the yugas is that there is a descending cycle and an ascending cycle. And we are now, in 1900, we began... 

We had the 400, 500 AD was the lowest point. This was given to us in this teaching. It was the lowest point. It was when Kali Yuga descending ended, and then we started Kali Yuga ascending. And there was some higher times compared with the 400 AD. The Middle Ages were a much higher time. And then the Renaissance with a full blossoming. But now we're on steroids compared with that. And it will only continue to increase. So that's what I would say. No, I fully get what you're talking about because it's like the old structures are collapsing and new ones are being born that better serve humanity as a whole. And it really is. And people are... raising their consciousness out of the 3D, which would be, you know, very prideful, treating people indifferently, being demanded, black and white thinking, and more people are rising up into acceptance and forgiveness and reasoning and compassion and optimism and courage, you know, really courage to find your authentic self. And like you said, 

When you're stuck in 3D and you start to move up and you find your true identity, your true purpose, you well shed the old self. It is like the death of the old self and the birth of the new. And a lot of people think that concept is scary, but it's not. It's just your perception is shifting. You're raising your awareness, your consciousness up. to a higher level, to a higher frequency and tone that supports the whole of humanity. Instead of us being all in separation and survival mode, we are, we're evolving, we're moving up. And so i tell people there's nothing to be scary about it and and to and to trust the process because it does connect you to that Oneness to your higher self and to the creator. I mean, that's kind of like the end goal is to get to 5D human consciousness to where it is love and joy and bliss and oneness. It is scary to the personality or the ego. Yes. And so when you hold on to this personality or ego, which you call being in 3D, then you are scared because you are going to lose that. 

The reality, the way I like to think of it is the reality of it is, is that you're, you're just, that's the body that you're renting. It's not really who you are. It's who you think you are. And, and when you realize that, that you're, that really what you're looking for, I had a client recently that, that was putting their, their, their, I do location astrology. So we talk about place. And so there was a, the longing for maybe the house ownership and the, and the sunset on the back porch and the nature environment. And it was, to me, she was really talking about a freedom of believing in herself and letting go. She was stuck into the restrictions and the limitations of the mind and of the needs and the feeling secure that she couldn't get into, that what she was really wanting was the freedom of the self. 

that it was these, uh, they were metaphors of images, uh, on a, on a, um, uh, because that leap is very scary, even though it's something you experience. Right. Uh, you know, you experience, uh, at your favorite restaurant, you experience it in intimacy, you experience it with the sunrise and the sunset and a beautiful wind and a, And a first rainstorm, you know, you experience it, but we still get it. We don't we we we're stuck onto the onto the identity. We've got Velcro to the identity. We've got to pull that Velcro off. It's like we think it's going to be the Band-Aid. It's going to hurt. But we're going to find out that it that in fact, it's it's the holding on is the hurting. Well, a lot of people. The fears that they have is I'm going to lose my family. 

I'm going to lose my friends or I can't work in this industry, this career anymore. And I think a lot of those fears hold people back from making that leap up into courage, which is the very first one. And why I feel that's important to discuss right now is if a person loves you unconditionally, they are going to embrace the new you 100% and support you. If the person is toxic and is unwilling to embrace you for who and what you are and the calling that you feel, then you need to set healthy boundaries with them. They don't have to be in your inner circle anymore. They could be on the outer side where, and I hate this word, but it's more like, yeah, you might have a superficial relationship with them, 

Because they're not willing to come up here. They want to stay down there. And that's totally fine. To me, that's just totally fine. You're accepting them for who they are and loving them for who they are and accepting that everybody is perfectly imperfect. But a lot of people have that fear is, I'm going to lose all these people that I love because they expect me to be this way. They have requirements and conditions. And I mean, it's... I recently did a podcast where I shared that my I got so tired of being threatened by my father. I'm going to disinherit you. I'm going to cut you out of the will if you don't do this for me or do that or do this. And one day I just said, please, please do it. Just do it. I'm so tired of it. Do it. And yeah, I am. I can admit this and I'm fine with it. My brother even mentioned it last week when we talked about my dad. He said, you know, you're dead to him. 

And I said, that's okay. I still love the man. I don't like the man, but I still love the man. And that's the, that's a real big difference. And at first, yeah, it felt like a knife being, you know, stabbed into me when I heard it, but I had to get to the realization that he can't love me unconditionally and he never will. He never will. And I, Everyone in my family has tried helping repair that relationship with this man. But he wants me literally to get on my knees and grovel and apologize for things that there's no apology for. But in his mind, he wants it that way. And I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to lower myself down to his level to please and appease him. And that can be a really big fear for a lot of people to take that. 

you know, leap. And so I just wanted to, I'm sure you've met people like that. Well, I think what you say is that the, the, the, the, the, what you're left with, which you're always left with is that you have to love yourself. Yeah. That, that, that's, that's the most important thing. And I'm sorry that you feel that way. What, what, what comes up to me is, is that you can, you can apologize for the hurt. You can apologize for the misunderstanding. Oh, I already did. It's not good enough. And that's fine. If you've done what you can, you've done what you can. And that point is... But what I was thinking before is that you can visit this... You can be in whatever plane you're in, but you can still visit 3D. But the idea here is to not get stuck in compulsions and obsessions. That you still have your preferences... 

You know, you're still going to have... The personality is still going to exist in terms of its preferences, but the idea here is what we're trying to do is to let go of any compulsions and obsessions. The need for things to be a certain way. We want to learn to let things be as they are without a need for things to be any other way. Right. No, you're right, because... A good example, because I went through EMDR trauma therapy because he was a rather abusive individual. And when I saw him again and I was going through my older brother's estate, I was happy and joyful and smiling. And I gave him a hug and I'm like, it's great to see you. How are you doing? I was just so happy. And he went over to my brother and he's like, what's wrong with her? Is she on drugs? 

And he was so mystified, like, she's just acting weird. But that was the beauty is he could no longer hook into me. He could no longer trigger me or get me to be reactive. And I just responded out of joy, love and happiness. And it just kind of flipped his mind thinking there was something wrong. But that's just, you know, who I am. And it was really nice. And actually at the end of the whole, you know, being there, I, I gave him a hug and I, and I, and I, and I was very nice and, and all, and all that. And I mean, that's all you can do. Well, that's the, that's a, that sounds like a neutrality is a high vibration. So it is, it actually vibrates at two 50 and, 

Neutrality, being satisfied and content, it it does okay so i want to know this next question okay does the wheel of totality tell us about our life blind spots? Okay, so the wheel of totality is something that i like to think that that spirit gave me it's a it's a it's uh on the on the densest of levels it's uh it's the it's a it's a reading It's a chart. So it's its own chart. And I'll explain that in a minute. But you overlay your natal chart onto the chart, okay? And so when we give a reading in astrology, we're talking about all the houses that have planets. We talk about your Saturn. We talk about your Jupiter. We talk about your Mars. They're in houses. But there are anywhere from three... 

to, well, to 10, which I haven't seen, empty houses. And empty houses contain awareness, just like houses that have planets. But because you don't have any planet there, and I'm only concerned with the inner planets, I'm not concerned with the outer planets, Pluto and Neptune and Uranus, because I believe that they move slower, they're more generational than individual. And we don't include asteroids, but we do include the nodes, the north and south node of the moon. And so we're looking for where we have planets that the skill, the awareness of that house is a skill for us, that we have planetary energy there. I mean, I didn't come in with this theory that I was trying to prove. I was given the wheel, and then it told me what it meant. 

And so where you don't have a planet, which is an empty house, in traditional astrology, they say, well, you look to the ruler of that house in order to see what some energy is. But normally you say it's not really where your focus in your life is. But the reality of it is that spiritually, it becomes a tremendous block. It becomes our... our deficiencies. It's our blind spots. There's nine planets and 12 houses. So there's ignorance built into the system. And we don't work on our blind spots until we're 50. Why is that? Because in 20s and 30s, we're mostly working on ego and identity. We're not really interested in what we don't do well. I like to say, if you're 20 years old and I say, you need to open your heart, you're going to say, well, no, I don't. 

And if you're 50, you're going to say, well, you're the third person that told me that this week. Tell me more. And so the idea here is that it doesn't really until our 40s that we've tried all of our strategies in order to attack the world. And we're still in suffering that there is a point of, I call it the seesaw tips there somewhere in the middle of the 40s, where you start realizing that you don't really know anything or you know less than you thought you knew. Your arrogance is And you're getting a little tired and sick and you've got to look outside yourself for answers. And so that is when we start looking at the deficiencies. OK. Now, that's that's really insightful. Thank you for that. Now, last question. What is the secret of life? The secret of life. The secret of life is to is to live in your heart. 

A hundred percent, a hundred, a hundred percent. Yeah. Well, and to listen to it because a lot of people can get stuck listening to that inner critic, the negative voice in their head. And like, I'll, I remember being at this meeting and this woman was talking and what she said, I thought was so beautiful where she was talking about her weight and how she She did every diet she could think of and yo-yoed and all this and that, even did the bypass surgery and gained a bunch of weight. And she said, not until I decided to stop hating my body and fighting with my body and tried loving my body, accepting my body just the way it is, raising up to that higher vibration, she said, everything changed. Everything changed. 

And she's like, my weight normalized. My body started to feel better. And I formed this beautiful relationship with my body. And I fully loved her saying that and speaking that truth. Because as you know, a lot of people, we can be very self-conscious. I mean, how many women turn the lights off when they're in the bedroom with a man? They're embarrassed about how they look. Is he going to like this? Is he going to like that? You know, is he going to criticize? People are very self-conscious. And when we learn to love ourselves, really love ourselves, and embrace who and what we are, everything changes. It's pretty amazing. Well, that's the amazing thing is it's just the way it works. The fact is that when you're into this, 

which is what your work is, from what I can gather, is that the fact is, is that when we're not in any of these lower stories and any of the insecurities and blocking ourselves and not good enough and all of those, those have a lower, they just have a frequency, you know? I mean, you can't, we can't dispute that. I mean, scientists may say, well, show it to me. I can't show it to you, but I have no doubt of this, that there is enough experience. And when you get to a higher vibration with loving and being courageous and being noble to your truths beyond how things appear into the mind, then it's just a higher vibration. And that higher vibration, things that are commonplace, 

Uh, disappear and things that are not commonplace are then, uh, become commonplace. No. Awesome. Thank you for sharing that. So where can people find you? Okay. So I have a website, uh, that you can find me at. I, I offer these readings if i if i may i offer the astrology readings and enneagram readings, location readings, uh, Relationship readings, family dynamic readings. Sounds like you need a little bit of that. Family dynamic reading, the spiritual progress with the Navamsa and the Wheel of Totality. Lots of different readings. They're in the website. I like to give two free offers to any listener here. I'll give you your Vedic astrology chart. I need an email from you with your date, time, and place of birth. 

OK, and it's nice to know where you're coming from, where you're listening from. But a date, time and place of birth. Email me at Indra Rinsler at Gmail dot com. And if you're interested in we didn't really talk about Enneagram, but if you're interested in learning about your finding out your Enneagram number, which is the beginning of can be the big doorway to the Enneagram world. I have a simple test that's also free. So write me at that address and I can send you the test. Well, I know in numerology I'm a nine. And nine is all about forgiveness. Okay, so it isn't numerology. Okay. Yeah. No, I'll do that. Cool. Because I was like, ooh, I really like the one when you were talking about the wheel of totality. Because I've done the... Oh God, there's another one. It's the human... 

human design? Yes, that was so fascinating. I loved the human design. Yeah, that was pretty pretty cool and it was really interesting how when things start to come up with, you know the the energy systems that you have and and being able to look at it and recognize it and and move through it more, I'd say, with with grace because you know, there are challenges that do come up and, and how we handle it matters. Absolutely. Everything matters. Yes. And doesn't matter at the same time. Correct. Well, just for everyone to know, I'm going to create a blog post as well for you, Indra, with all your social media connections and your website and as well as your email, if you like. And, 

people will be able to find you on that as well. So I am so blessed and thankful to have you here today. Thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to communicate. Thank you so much for having me. Wonderful to be here. Yes. Wonderful to be here. Well, you have a fantastic day and I'll keep you on my list to bring you back. Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. Take care. Bye.