Changing the world from the inside out

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Hello, everyone. This is your host, Keri Logan at Mastering the Upper Rooms, and I have Anne Hintz. She is an inner explorer, an author, a public speaker, and a spiritual teacher. She shares the story of how she has shifted her skull bones and has grown how much, Anne? Three quarters of an inch. Three quarters of an inch as a result of her search for inner peace. And she wants you to know how she has done it. and you can too. So welcome, Anne. I am so happy to have you here. How are you today? I'm great. Thanks for having me, Keri. This is going to be a light and easy interview, okay? Light and easy. Good. So tell everyone a little bit about you, how this whole journey started for you, because it's very unusual, and it's very different, and for some people it could be 

really mystifying. I will give some trigger warnings for some people because there is a bit of, um, seriousness to this. And, and, and so just be warned that, um, you know, so here we go. Tell your story ann okay so my unwinding story didn't happen until my late 30s right? That's when i started this inner journey that i'm on now, but you know, I was, I was programmed in childhood like most of us are, and I had multiple different traumas in childhood. I had my adoption. I was handed over for adoption at six weeks. But even before that, I was born with my right foot up against my right shin. So my whole body was kind of torqued and twisted. And so that was part of my journey. But there were other things. We had a house fire. I was sent to a boys boarding school for two years, which was quite traumatic. Yeah. 

I was in the car with my dad and brother when my dad drove over a girl's ankle. That was quite a traumatic event. And both my parents were alcoholics in my teenage years. So that was pretty horrific. And then when I was 19, I found my mother dead on the bathroom floor. So that was kind of like the big trauma that held all the others in. And I didn't know what to do about it at the time. I was on my own at home in the house. And life just kind of carried on. I didn't know, you know, never heard of, you know, going to have, you know, help with any of it. I didn't ask anyone for help. I just shoved it all down and suppressed it all and just carried on with life, kind of hoping it would disappear. But I didn't realize at the time that it doesn't. It just doesn't. It just all stays inside. And it wasn't until I was in my late 30s and I was... 

talking to two other women at my boys' school. And these women were self-confident, self-assured, authority-type women. And I was this scared mother on the inside. And they told me I'd done something wrong. And that, for me, just spun my mind out of control. Just went round and round, like what I'd said, what they'd said, what I did, what I could have done differently. I could not stop it spinning for three days. Wow. And it was at the end of that, when it was just kind of starting to quiet down a bit, I realized two things. First of all, I realized this is not normal. Most people do not react as intently to something that really wasn't much of a big deal. It was just a decision I made that they didn't like. And I realized it felt a little bit like how I would react when my dad would tell me I'd done something wrong. So for me, that was the little opening that, oh, maybe there's something from my childhood that's still affecting me. 

as a 37 or eight year old. And, and that was the start of my journey. Yeah, it's true. A lot of people don't kind of stop and go within until something happens. And it's usually not in their twenties. A lot of times it is like in their thirties and they're saying, this doesn't work for me. This I'm not, I'm not happy. I'm not, I'm not happy. thriving in life. I'm just, you know, trying to wing it or coast it, or I'm just existing, or I'm doing what society thinks I should be doing. And what's going to make, you know, Anne happy? What's going to heal her? And a lot of people too, don't get help. They don't go to trauma therapy. They don't go to a therapist or a counselor. They kind of, like you said, 

I'll just stuff it down. Cause that's all, that's the only option I have right now. And they try to cope with it, but that it's like a, a giant worm. Eventually it comes out out of the ground. Like dune. I think about it as dune. It's like, just comes up and crashes down on you. And you're like, it's trying to eat you and you're trying to run away. Yeah. It's scary. It is scary. it is scary because we don't know what we're hiding and we don't know, we don't want to look at it because it's scary. Right. Yeah. I didn't know what to do at that point, but i knew i had to do something. I just, I was so scared all the time and I, you know, had been walking on eggshells around my dad for years and i kind of continued to do that and it was just part of who i was and i i didn't i didn't want it anymore. I knew i had to change. So, 

I didn't know what to do, but it was in that time frame I went to a doctor's appointments, and he was a holistic physician, so he had more tools in his toolbox than most doctors do, and he recognized that I was more stressed than I should be, and he asked me on a scale of 0 to 10 what my stress level was, and I said 8 and then he asked me why. And it was that question that made me realize, oh, it was finding my mother dead on the bathroom floor when I was 19 because the tears from that event was still just under the surface two decades later. I hadn't dealt with them. So he happened to know this technique that's called EFT, which is an emotional freedom technique. It's also called tapping because we're tapping on our body. And he tapped with me for about 15 minutes about my mother's death. And I let those emotions and those tears flow. And I walked away from that appointment being able to tell the story in my mind without all those emotions there anymore. 

and that was the first time i realized that we actually hold those memories kind of physically, emotionally, like, but energetically inside our body and that we can let them go. And so i went home and i learned everything i could about eft and i started using it daily. And it was it made a huge difference. It does. I actually um was trained in it and used to teach classes in it. And then i got to a certain point where i found some people that the recipe, the formula worked for them. But for some people, following all the steps was really, really challenging. And so I would just tell people, where is it calling you to tap? Where? And just stay on that space and tap there until you feel that sense of relief. And then move on to the next one. But for some people, it was a lot to try to memorize that whole 

a whole pattern. But you can still make it effective in a way that that works for you. Yeah, absolutely. And I've adjusted it to the opening phrase, I don't use the way the original it was originally used. Yeah, really recommend people use their own language and words, because that's what's stuck inside of us. But there's different ways the I started using it on a daily basis. So I started noticing when I was emotional during the day. And then I would tap and bring myself back to peace. And it became easier to notice when I was emotional, so that was good. Then I could tap more often. And I could tell things were changing, but I wanted them to change faster. I wanted more, and I wanted it faster. So I went ahead and wrote down all my traumas from childhood, everything I could think of, all my negative memories, all the phrases my dad would use, and all those humiliations and embarrassments. 

All those things, I wrote them down. And I spent about an hour to an hour and a half every evening going through one at a time, checking them off one at a time. And things just changed so rapidly at that point. It was just really fun to experience the changes because my mind started to go quiet. And I had never had a quiet mind before. And it was at that point that I realized the phrases that I used to replay over and over in my mind had been my dad's phrases. that i had taken on as my own and i would just replay them but once i had tapped through them tapped through all the memories with him his anger and the phrases he would say they disappeared and my mind was quiet and it was just such a huge change it was it was it was lovely yeah no i thank you for sharing that because that really is. 

insightful the way that you just put it, because I always ask people, when you hear that voice in your head, is that really your voice or is it your dad's? Is it your mom's? Is it your ex? You know, whose voice is it? And is it a loving, supporting voice or is it a angry, demanding, hurtful voice? And a lot of people don't kind of realize that There are certain ways we learn. Some people are auditory, they're kinesthetic, they're visual. Some smells can trigger. I remember hearing this one story that really fascinated me of this young boy that was straight-A student, but when he sat in this one specific classroom in front of this one teacher, he just couldn't stand the man. Couldn't stand it, was acting out in class, and everyone was like going, what is wrong with this guy? Well, what it was, 

is the cologne that the teacher was wearing smelled exactly like his dad who was an alcoholic. And he made that connection to that smell and and once they asked him, can you please change your cologne or wear a different kind of deodorant? The kid was normal. No problem at all. It's just that smell triggered him. And so like with someone with auditory, like my kiddo is auditory. Even if I raise my voice just a slight octave, he will think I'm yelling at him. And I'm like, I'm not yelling at you. Well, it feels like you're yelling at me. I'm just like, but I'm not. I'm not, sweetie. And so that's, you know, when we can kind of figure out, I mean, to me, that's helped me as a therapist is, you know, what's the ways that person, you know, learns? Are they visual, auditory, kinesthetic, or are they a blend of all of them? 

And, and so that's a beautiful thing that you, you discovered. And I think it's also based on our childhood, right? How we grow up because, because your story there just reminded me of my dad was, had a really short temper and he would get so angry that spittle would splitter, you know, splutter around to his mouth. He was just so angry. So to me, that's what getting angry is. Now my boys are, have been raised and we never really got angry with them. So they would come home from school and they would say the teachers who we know very well, and they don't have the same anger that my dad did, but they would say that the teacher was angry at them. And so I realized over time, okay, what they're talking about as anger is nothing like my experience of anger because they've just been raised differently. So that comes into the picture as well. 

Yeah, no, thank you for, thank you for saying that. So why did you decide to make these changes? Was it just, you know, the voice in your head, the chatter in your head was just so overwhelming that it just was hard to like, what, what was the turning point for you? I didn't really realize I had much chatter in my head. I had to experience a peaceful mind to realize how unpeaceful it was. But I was fed up of being scared all the time. And my boys were growing up. I had two boys. And they were getting towards the age of the boys at boarding school, 9 through 13. And I was very scared of boys in that range because they had been bullies. They had teased me mercilessly. 

So I knew I had to get over that before my boys got to that age because I didn't want to be afraid of my boys. Right. So those were the things I tapped on as well. My childhood experiences at the boys school. So with EFT, it was really just the first step on my journey. And I hadn't realized when I started it, I hadn't realized the changes it would make. And one of the changes is it's kind of opening up the subconscious mind. So you can even see that a one small story. So I tapped through my mother's death with my doctor. When I saw him that first time, I had to do it multiple times because each time the subconscious mind opens up a little bit more. So you start to remember different parts of the experience. So different parts of the memories where the subconscious mind is opening up and just letting out little more parts of the memories. So, 

I would do that over and over again with her death until I could just tell the story with no emotions left. The whole thing had been cleared out. It's just a story like I'm reading from a book. That's the process in one individual story. But overall as well, that subconscious mind is starting to open up. And with that becomes a deeper sense of self-awareness. So I became aware of my emotions, whereas I hadn't been before. So each day when I checked in with myself, I could tell what I was feeling. know resentment or frustration or whatever it was i could i could put a name to it. And then i became aware of the physical sensations underneath the emotions. So when we're feeling something like frustration, we're actually feeling tension in our body and we call that feeling frustration. So we can also kind of reverse that process. So when we're feeling frustrated, where are we feeling it? 

Now, I couldn't tell you when i started this journey, I could not have said, okay, frustration for me, it's in my sternum and in my ribs, my lower ribs. I can feel that now because i have that depth of self-awareness. Can you tell where you feel frustration? Oh, yeah. Sometimes I can feel it in my belly. Sometimes I can feel it in my my heart my chest area. Sometimes I can feel the frustration on my shoulders. Like I'm carrying the weight of the world in my body, on my, on my shoulders. And so, yes. And so it is being able to, as you say, recognize it and how can I, you know, work through it? How can I, how can I release it? What do I need to do? And that's a hard, hard thing. I think for a lot of people, because 

they experience anxiety and I tell them, well, your body is saying, I need a break. This is too much for me. This is overwhelming. You need to kind of slow down. We need to rethink this. There's many different ways our body speaks to us, but people don't talk about that. I mean, they're like, you're weird. What? You're talking to your body? And it's like, well, it is a vessel. I mean, It is the only one I got. I can't trade it in for a younger or newer model or less emotional body. You got to do the best that you can. And I'm sure as you know, there's so many books out there like Heal Your Body by Louise Hayes and The Secret Language of Your Body. They're all is an emotional component that causes dis-ease within the physical body. Absolutely. 

Absolutely. Yeah, it does. And it causes so many unhealthy health conditions. I mean, this is getting a little personal here, but I developed a one time a fibroid cyst. And when I looked up the probable cause, it was a blow to my feminine ego, something that someone said that was really harsh and really cruel. And when I read it, I immediately went to that memory and I was like, that's right. And so the doctors wanted to cut it out. And I said, no, I'm going to heal myself. And I did the Edgar Cayce castor oil compresses. And I talked to my body and I talked to the cyst and I apologized. And I talked to my, and I know it sounds weird talking to myself, but I did. I said, I love you. And I'm sorry that we created this. I'm accepting responsibility that yes, I created this. And that person was a complete asshole. I can, 

Say this is my podcast. They were a complete asshole. The comment that they made. And it was designed to wound me. And it did exactly what it was designed to do. Was to cut me like a knife. And so... And the thing is... I could have took those words. And I could have blew them off. I could have said, nope. No thank you. But I clung on to it. I planted the seed. I watered it. And I let it grow. And so... then that's why i say we need to take responsibility for the conditions we create within ourselves. And we need to have that connection with the mind, body, spirit, all of that, the emotions we we have to. Yeah, they're all connected. And that's some of the things i've realized through this journey. It's absolutely all connected so so we can this it through 

different ways. So we can access it through those memories and through the emotions, right? If it's a physical pain or, or we can go into the physical itself and it will release the emotions and memories, right? because it's, it's all one in the same. We're just not aware of it, right? When we don't have much depth of awareness, we're not aware of the connections, but as we do this work, we can become aware of it. So once i was aware at this level of the physical sensations underneath the emotions, I could still tap on it, right? I could tap on, I feel this frustration in my rib cage. And it's still, it's focusing my mind on that frustration in the rib cage. It's still working with it. But I realized at that point, I didn't need to tap. I could just focus on the tension itself. I just feel that tension in my rib cage. Again, I could not have done that in those early years. I had to do that work with EFT first to get rid of those big emotions, the big traumas that I've been storing inside. 

Then I had that ability to go deeper and I could feel that tension. And I would hold my awareness on it until it released. And then I would do it again. And I'd do it again and again, kind of like you do with EFT, right? You do the same thing again and again until it's released. So I would do that over and over again. And I would also work on collective traumas. I worked on things like 9-11, my memories and my experiences from something like that, or the Loma Prieta earthquake I was in, which I had stored inside. Hadn't realized it, but I had. So I did all that release work and eventually it got to the place where I could put my awareness inside my body and it would stay there after I had released the tension, which was really weird. I've never heard of it before. I know it's really weird to hear. It's really weird to say, but it's kind of like, imagine if you had a toothache or a stomachache, right? You can feel where that pain is, right? You can pinpoint it because it's painful. Right. 

But once the pain has disappeared, you can't really put your awareness back there again because there's nothing calling your attention to it. I found that I could. I could put my awareness inside my body, and then I started playing with it. I just never heard of what I was doing before, so I thought I'd just play. So I'd move my awareness around inside, and I could find a place with tension versus a place with no tension. That's what I could differentiate inside. so i'd find a place with tension. I would focus on it, hold my awareness on it, not try and change it in any way, just feel right and it would release. So I would do that over and over and over again in different places in my torso. And it took many many months i don't remember how many, but a lot of months before i could put my awareness inside my head. And that was huge because the pain and the tension inside my left cheek was just almost unbearable. 

I could only hold my focus on it for maybe a second because it was just too intensely painful. And that's when I realized that all that pain had been there all along, had been there my whole life because it's connected to my right foot, which was up against my shin when I was born. It was like that whole talk kind of started or finished in my left cheek all the way down to around my right foot. But I had not been aware of it for 50 years at that point. So it made me realize how much pain and tension we store inside in our subconscious mind. We are just not aware of it until we're ready to release it. So then I started doing the same thing. I would focus on it, maybe a second at a time, just allow it. And over a period of time, years now, it would release. And it got to the place I actually heard and felt something release. And it sounded and it felt like old fabric ripping. 

Which was a little scary. Velcro or something. Right. I realized it was an adhesion in the connective tissue that was releasing. So I realized I wasn't hurting myself. So I kept going and it got to the place I actually felt my skull bones relax. Now, again, I hadn't known they weren't relaxed before. Right. Just like I hadn't known my mind was totally busy before until I could see the difference, until I could feel it relax. And then I realized, OK, my skull had been tense before and now it's not quite so tense. So I've just been continuing over and over and i got some more orthodontic x-rays taken just as part of my regular orthodontic stuff. And because i'd felt shift is hap shifts happening, I actually went back and looked at old x-rays and then i could see the difference. I could see that my jaw bone had been way off to the side and it's now much more centered. My eye sockets had aligned 

Again, I hadn't really realized they weren't. My neck is straighter than it has ever been in my life. I've got more work to do. It's also more flexible. My head will bend in ways that it never has before. And because I've decompressed, I have let go of all this burden that I've been carrying. I think that's why I've grown three quarters of an inch because it was it was there all along. I had been compressed before and now I'm just decompressed. Yeah. No, I mean, the things that we can do are amazing. It reminds me of, this is kind of a sweet story, but I have a recording for placenta priva. And what you really do is you connect to your body and you connect to the womb and you actually visualize in your mind that placenta moving up and moving up to the side and moving up to the side. 

to where the access way to give birth is clear and open. It's free. The baby's head can go down and all of that. And I remember one time getting an email from a lady with a picture saying Quincy was born. You know, I listened to that. And now my baby, you know, I have this beautiful baby. And it's amazing the things that we can do. I worked with one gentleman that had pancreatic cancer. And it was the second time he had it. And he didn't want to do any of the chemo or radiology. He didn't want to do any of that treatment. And the doctor said, you got 30 days, 30 days to figure out what you want to do. And so he came and he had a session and he's like, I really hope this works. And I said, well, it will work if you completely believe in it and you use your mind to visualize. I did like a Pac-Man one, visualize little Pac-Mans eating all those, um, 

malignant cells. I did not use the word cancer. I use malignant cells and it's just eating them and thriving and thriving and your body. I said all the right words. Well, 30 days later, he went back to the doctor and the cancer was gone. Wow. Yeah. And he was like, I'm not, I'm not a religious person, but I'm going to go to church this Sunday. And I, and he was like, that's amazing. And I said, you're the one that did it. I'm the tour guide. Because I could have made the recording for you and you could have said, forget it. Forget it. You could have blown it off. You could have not taken it seriously. But you did the work. You were committed just like you, Ann. You did the work because it was important to you. And that's what matters is you made that commitment. You connected with your body. You visualized. You felt. You did all of that. And I think that's the beautiful thing is self-awareness. 

is key. Like a lot of, I mean, trust your intuition, trust your gut. If your body is telling you, hey, this is not a nice person, listen to it. If your body is telling you you know i need more rest, listen to it. Yeah, it's sending back signals all the time it's just our job to become aware of that. And as we do it more and more, we become aware at a deeper and deeper level. And one of the fun things about it is when we have a depth a deep depth of self-awareness we're also aware of things that are happening outside of us at a deeper level right we can see into other people more deeply we can hear things feel things in our body that we weren't able to before so yeah it's it's definitely worth going down this trail but yes you have to have will and determination if you really want to do it yeah and you got you got to be committed. I mean, that's the whole thing you can't you can't 

I'm just going to say you can't half ass it. You got you got to seriously be 100 percent committed and you got to do it. And and so I think with a lot of people nowadays, we're so busy, busy, busy that we don't stop and slow down and realize that, no, I need to take a break because people get burnt out. So many people get burnt out. One of the things I realized along the journey, like early on, I wish I'd kept a diary, but I didn't. But after I'd done quite a bit of the tapping already and things are starting to loosen up and my mind was becoming quieter, it became fun. I was releasing energy that had been stuck in my body for decades. And that's got to feel good. And it does. So it got to the place that I didn't want to do anything else. 

and now i can multitask. So I'm releasing tension in my, in my cheek and my palate and my um neck while i'm watching tv or while i'm walking or while i'm in the car. I couldn't do that early on, but i can do it now. And it, and it's fun. Feels good. Yeah. No, it can't be fun. So tell us about your book. You have this book called a pathway to Insight. Tell us all about that. Right. So I believe this is, kind of the equivalent of opening the third eye. I call it the inner eye because i can see inside my body it's inside sight so it's insight so my book is about the steps that i took to get to this place. So we've just been through them. So EFT was first, then it was feeling the feelings and then it was going inside the body itself. So that's what that book goes through in detail. And I've also got a workbook now as well, which will bring up all your trauma 

And all your programming, all the darkness inside, it's got all the questions there so that if you want to do this work, you can work through those things one at a time. Beautiful. Now, when you about the workbook, do you suggest sometimes people do that alone or sometimes is it best to do it with, let's say, another person like a therapist? Because sometimes. Things are too scary for people to look at. And there are... Or they don't have the right words. Often a therapist can come up with the right words and then the person will, it'll resonate. They'll realize, okay, yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So yes, I've definitely found some people work better on their own. Some people need someone else to do it with. So yes, a therapist can help in that situation. Okay, okay. 

And tell us a little bit about your YouTube channel. Okay, I've put quite a few videos up there. They might in some respects seem unrelated, but they're really all related to this journey and this understanding that I have now. And I can only say that because I remember where I was 20 years ago. I did not understand this. I did not understand life. I did not understand any of this. but now i have the contrast to where i used to be and where i am now. So I can understand things. So there's, there's videos on there about eft for sure. I've got a demo video there and a video about the words to use on there. and but i've also got other videos for other steps along the way and understanding of different things that are, that are happening in life on there. Okay. So I got a question. oh this is a good one. because 

You wanted me to ask this one. So you don't meditate. And are there benefits to meditation? And why don't you do it? I never had the mind. I never had a quiet mind. I could not quiet my mind. So I never wanted to meditate. And I do think that there are benefits because I believe we're putting off a signal. We're emitting a signal every second of every day. Like we're always emitting a signal and we're attracting back into our life, into our future based on the signal that we're emitting right now. So I would use that on my journey. I would, I would ask myself, okay, how am I feeling right now? And do I want to feel this way again? And usually back then the answer was no, I don't. Right. So I would tap, I would change my signal and I would bring myself back to peace. Now, when someone's meditating, they're likely to be more peaceful. Right. So in that process, 

period of time where they're meditating, they're emitting a beneficial signal, a peaceful signal, and they're going to attract peace into their future. So things are going to change somewhat. What I realized eft is doing is it's changing my base signal. So I'm changed all the time. So it's kind of like i'm meditating all the time. Right. So to me, it was more fundamental changes. And that's what i was looking for. I wanted, I wanted to change who i was. And so I have just never needed to meditate. Some people say what I'm doing now is kind of like Vipassana meditation, kind of you're scanning the body to find the place that's calling your attention. Although having said that, I don't think that's what Vipassana does. It's more scanning the body. What I do is to find the place that's calling my attention and I focus on that. So to someone looking from the outside, it might seem like I'm meditating, but I'm pretty busy. 

sensing on the inside. Yeah. No, that's so awesome i i really love what what you've done for yourself and and what you're doing for humanity it's it's really important because so many people, yes, get so stuck in their head and they just stuff things down, stuff it down, stuff it down. And then something happens and it's like their whole world falls apart. And I would love people to not have to get to that desperate point. Right. Although in some respects, that's what I did. Yes. Well, and sometimes that is how people, you know, eventually learn and eventually realize, okay, what I have been doing all this time is not in my best interest. It's literally been... wreaking havoc on my life and my health when they decide to change right so that's that's that's the the key the key moment so yeah well in some respects it would be nice that people don't have to get there in some respects they do, they need to. Yeah, no, I, I, I hear you. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, before we wrap this up, where can people find you? Where's the best place? 

I'm pretty active on Facebook. I'm there every day. So you're welcome to answer questions. I try and explain lots of things on there. So I encourage people to go and see the things I'm writing. I try and relate my experience to a lot of phrases that other people say or spiritual phrases and such. So that's a great place. I also have my website and hints.com. And there's a PDF download of the EFT tapping technique, my summary of it on there if anyone wants it. I also have, I'm going to start doing retreats and I have my first one coming up next July. So July of 2025. And I'm going to be teaching kind of what I did. It's going to be for women who've lost their mother. So specific to that, you know, you can have lost the mother at any point. It's going to go, go through what's left inside of us from their death, from our childhood with our mother, from our fear about not having a mother in the future. It's going to, 

work through all those emotions and memories using these techniques. And hopefully people will be able to experience the before and the after there. Awesome. Well, congratulations to you. That's really cool. Well, just to let everyone know, I'm going to create a blog post for you and which will have your website, your Facebook, your YouTube channel and, you know, information about your book as well. So anyone can follow you and find you that way as well. Great. Thank you very much. Yes. Well, it has been my pleasure connecting with you today. I'm really, really glad I got to have this initial chance to just chat with you. Me too. I'm glad we got to do it. Thanks, Kiri. Yes. Yes. Well, you have a fantastic day, Anne, and thank you so much. Many blessings to you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Bye.